8.2 To gallop again and again into failure: Kaveh Akbar and Pardis Dabashi (SW)

An unforgettable horse gallops through the pages of Kaveh Akbar’s best-selling novel Martyr! (2024), but it is a figurative hastening toward failure and the limitations of language that Akbar discusses with critic Pardis Dabashi. In their conversation, Kaveh considers writing both as an escape from the confines of the self and as a vehicle for expressing its contradictions. Together they explore which forms might best capture the ambivalence and polyphony of the human mind, the contours of Iranian American identity, and the spiritual beauty of everyday existence. Whether discussing neurolinguistics or the affordances of poetry, Kaveh contemplates the limits of language: how can we write what we think, when we struggle to know what—or how—we think? This conversation goes deep into the psyche in order to reach far beyond it. Even Kaveh’s deeply personal response to the signature question demonstrates that the places farthest away from us may also be found within.

By Kaveh Akbar:
Martyr!
The Penguin Book of Spiritual Verse (editor)
Calling a Wolf a Wolf

Also mentioned:
My Uncle Napoleon
To the Lighthouse
Ars Poetica
Ferdowsi
The Palm-Wine Drinkard and My Life in the Bush of Ghosts
The Tempest

Audio: To gallop again and again into failure: Kaveh Akbar and Pardis Dabashi (SW)

Transcript: 8.2 To gallop again and again into failure: Kaveh Akbar and Pardis Dabashi (SW)

10.2 Beautiful Sentences Matter. Billy-Ray Belcourt and Matt Hooley (SW) Novel Dialogue

Can a novel with a singular voice also be a chorus? Can it reject the conventions of the novel and still be a novel? Poet, essayist, and novelist Billy-Ray Belcourt tells critic Matt Hooley how his desire to write a novel that “would sound like something else,” led him to produce A Minor Chorus, his experimental debut novel. Together they consider how Billy-Ray’s vulnerable, first-person narrator makes room for other voices, or more precisely, how it becomes “a voice that could focalize the desires of a community.” Billy-Ray discusses how his influences— queer theory, indigenous novelists, and contemporary autofiction—harmonize in his search for a new form. While author and critic trace the circuits of grief and melancholy that run from Roland Barthes to Billy-Ray, their conversation is joyful, reminding listeners that romance and intimacy sustain us and that beautiful sentences matter. His answer to this season’s signature question attests to the way that even the classroom can be refashioned, like the novel, into a chorus. Mentioned in this episode By Billy-Ray Belcourt: A Minor Chorus A History of My Brief Body This Wound is a World Also mentioned: The Summer Day “Arundhati Roy Sees Delhi as a Novel” Rachel Cusk, The Shakespeare and Company Interview “The State of the Political Novel: An Interview with Édouard Louis” “100 Things About Writing a Novel” Mourning Diary Ann Cvetkovich Joshua Whitehead Mourning and Melancholia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  1. 10.2 Beautiful Sentences Matter. Billy-Ray Belcourt and Matt Hooley (SW)
  2. 10.1 "Extreme Circumstances, Extreme Reactions:” Aaron Gwyn and Sean McCann (JP)
  3. We Better Laugh About It: A Discussion with Álvaro Enrigue and Maia Gil’Adí
  4. 9.5 Who Owns These Tools? Vauhini Vara and Aarthi Vadde (SW)
  5. 9.4 “That In Between Time,” Fernanda Trías and Heather Cleary (MAT)

Huang, Linda. Cover design. Martyr!, Kaveh Akbar, Alfred A. Knopf, 2024. Front cover.