9.5 Who Owns These Tools?: Vauhini Vara and Aarthi Vadde (SW)

In an essay about her recent book Searches, a genre-bending chronicle of the deeply personal ways we use the internet and the uncanny ways it uses us, Vauhini Vara admits that several reviewers seemed to mistake her engagement with ChatGPT as an uncritical embrace of large language models. Enter Aarthi Vadde to talk with Vauhini about the power and the danger of digital tech and discuss to what it means to co-create with AI. Vauhini tells Aarthi and host Sarah Wasserman that at the heart of all her work is a desire to communicate—that ā€œlanguage,ā€ as she says, ā€œis the main tool we have to bridge the divide.ā€ She explains that the motivation in Searches as in her journalism is to test out tools that promise new forms of communication—or even tools that promise to be able to communicate themselves. Amidst all her interest in new tech, Vauhini is first and foremost a writer: she and Aarthi discuss what it means to put ChatGPT on the printed page, what genre means in today’s media ecosystem, and whether generative AI will steal writers’ paychecks. Considering generative AI models as tools that ā€œdon’t have a perspective,ā€ makes for an episode that diagnoses the future of writing with much less doomsaying than authors and critics often bring to the topic. And if all of this writing with robots sounds too ā€œout there,ā€ stay tuned for Vauhini’s down-to-earth answer to our signature question.

Vauhini Vara, Searches (2025), The Immortal King Rao (2022), ā€œMy Decade in Google Searchesā€ (2019)
Michel de Montaigne, The Complete Essays (1580)
Tom Comitta, The Nature Book (2023)
Sheila Heti, Alphabetical Diaries (2024),Ā  ā€œAccording to Aliceā€ (2023)
Audre Lorde, ā€œThe Master’s Tools will never Dismantle the Master’s Houseā€ (1979)

Audio: Who Owns These Tools?: Vauhini Vara and Aarthi Vadde (SW)

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11.1 Indie Presses and the Literary Ecosystem: Meg Reid and Will Evans – Novel Dialogue

Meg Reid and Will Evans join Mesha Maren to consider what makes up a literary ecosystem. As leaders of two nonprofit independent presses,Hub City Writers Project and Deep Vellum Press, Meg and Will describe their roles as publishers, booksellers, community builders, and advocates working with the many interconnected players in publishing: writers, readers, translators, critics, librarians, distributors, and funders. They discuss how independent presses create literary infrastructure by staying rooted in their communities, building relationships with readers, and making space for voices and stories that might otherwise be overlooked.The conversation turns to the impact of consolidation across the publishing industry and the effects of a marketplace increasingly shaped by scale. Will explains how Deep Vellum’s origins were tied to a concern that conglomeration was narrowing access to translated literature—and how that same narrowing affects writers and readers in local communities. Meg reflects on Hub City’s intentionally small publishing model and the ways independent presses can offer an alternative built around people rather than volume. Together, they explore the possibilities of a more diverse literary landscape, one where readers are invited to discover books beyond the dominant channels.From bookstores to distribution networks, Meg and Will unpack the systems that determine how books reach readers. They discuss why independent presses have increasingly opened their own bookstores, how distribution consolidation affects which books appear on shelves, and why availability in a warehouse does not necessarily mean availability in a bookstore. They also examine the difficult economics behind publishing: inventory costs, shipping, print runs, pricing, and the challenge of keeping books accessible while sustaining small presses.Closing with the announcement of the Literary Arts Fund’s first round of grants, Meg and Will reflect on what sustained philanthropic investment could mean for literary nonprofits. They describe the importance of long-term support that allows presses to take risks, deepen community work, and collaborate across the literary field. For both publishers, the future of books depends on strengthening the connections among all parts of the ecosystem—and finding ways to invite more people into it.Mentioned in this episode:Meg Reid,Ā Hub City Writers ProjectWill Evans,Ā Deep Vellum PressDan Sinykin, scholar and author ofĀ Big Fiction: How Conglomeration Changed the Publishing Industry and American Literature andĀ American Literature & the Long DownturnIngramConsortium Book Sales & DistributionTwo Dollar RadioMilkweed EditionsCenter for the Art of TranslationTwo Lines PressThe Literary Arts FundMellon FoundationNational Endowment for the Arts (NEA) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
  1. 11.1 Indie Presses and the Literary Ecosystem: Meg Reid and Will Evans
  2. 10.5 The Novel as Instrument: Sinan Antoon and Michael Allan (MAT)
  3. 10.4 Place Presents Itself To You in Fragments: Ivan Vladislavić and Jeanne-Marie Jackson (MAT)
  4. 10.3 Just Slightly Outside the Circle: Peter Orner and Sarah Wasserman (EH)
  5. 10.2 Beautiful Sentences Matter. Billy-Ray Belcourt and Matt Hooley (SW)

Huang, Linda and Andrew LeClair. Cover design. Searches, Vauhini Vara, Pantheon, 2025. Front cover.