9.5 Who Owns These Tools?: Vauhini Vara and Aarthi Vadde (SW)

In an essay about her recent book Searches, a genre-bending chronicle of the deeply personal ways we use the internet and the uncanny ways it uses us, Vauhini Vara admits that several reviewers seemed to mistake her engagement with ChatGPT as an uncritical embrace of large language models. Enter Aarthi Vadde to talk with Vauhini about the power and the danger of digital tech and discuss to what it means to co-create with AI. Vauhini tells Aarthi and host Sarah Wasserman that at the heart of all her work is a desire to communicate—that ā€œlanguage,ā€ as she says, ā€œis the main tool we have to bridge the divide.ā€ She explains that the motivation in Searches as in her journalism is to test out tools that promise new forms of communication—or even tools that promise to be able to communicate themselves. Amidst all her interest in new tech, Vauhini is first and foremost a writer: she and Aarthi discuss what it means to put ChatGPT on the printed page, what genre means in today’s media ecosystem, and whether generative AI will steal writers’ paychecks. Considering generative AI models as tools that ā€œdon’t have a perspective,ā€ makes for an episode that diagnoses the future of writing with much less doomsaying than authors and critics often bring to the topic. And if all of this writing with robots sounds too ā€œout there,ā€ stay tuned for Vauhini’s down-to-earth answer to our signature question.

Vauhini Vara, Searches (2025), The Immortal King Rao (2022), ā€œMy Decade in Google Searchesā€ (2019)
Michel de Montaigne, The Complete Essays (1580)
Tom Comitta, The Nature Book (2023)
Sheila Heti, Alphabetical Diaries (2024),Ā  ā€œAccording to Aliceā€ (2023)
Audre Lorde, ā€œThe Master’s Tools will never Dismantle the Master’s Houseā€ (1979)

Audio: Who Owns These Tools?: Vauhini Vara and Aarthi Vadde (SW)

Transcript: 9.5 Who Owns These Tools?: Vauhini Vara and Aarthi Vadde (SW)

10.5 The Novel as Instrument: Sinan Antoon and Michael Allan (MAT) Novel Dialogue

ā€œI am haunted by history: the history of dictatorship, the history of empire, history as a whole,ā€ declares the Iraqi novelist, poet, scholar, and literary translatorĀ Sinan AntoonĀ near the start of this conversation about his most recent novel,Ā Of Loss and Lavender. Sinan, speaking with MagalĆ­ and criticĀ Michael Allan, goes on to say that ā€œthe novel allows for a more wholesome, in-depth confrontation with history.ā€ That confrontation, in turn, requires narrative forms that are complex, sometimes fractured, and often non-linear in order to braid together a range of different perspectives on a particular moment or event. As Sinan observes in a discussion of the Arabic termĀ nisyānā€”ā€œforgettingā€ or ā€œforgetfulness,ā€ although its nuances in Arabic are not easily rendered in English—even memory itself is not static. And yet, shared histories of empire and imperialism make it possible to draw connections between far-flung locations, as Sinan does inĀ Of Loss and LavenderĀ by drawing together Iraq and Puerto Rico. From here, the conversation turns to the pleasures and challenges of translation, including some of Sinan’s choices when translating his own work into English. This includes the effort to make legible the nuances of race, class, and other forms of difference across contexts; although, as Sinan notes, much of his younger readership in the Arab world today is often well-versed in US culture. The conversation concludes with a discussion of Sinan’s frequent use of poems and songs in the novel, a device that points back to the multi-genre experiments of theĀ premodern ArabicĀ tradition, and a moving portrait of a teacher who transmitted to his students ideas about justice and equality despite the dictatorship under which he worked. Mentioned in this episode: About Baghdad The Baghdad Eucharist Mahmoud Darwish,Ā In the Presence of Absence Darwish’s ā€œMemory for Forgetfulnessā€ (onĀ nisyān) The Book of Collateral Damage Elias KhouryĀ and the use ofĀ dialectĀ in contemporary Arabic fiction Quebecois literature Breaking Bad Um Kulthoum Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  1. 10.5 The Novel as Instrument: Sinan Antoon and Michael Allan (MAT)
  2. 10.4 Place Presents Itself To You in Fragments: Ivan Vladislavić and Jeanne-Marie Jackson (MAT)
  3. 10.3 Just Slightly Outside the Circle: Peter Orner and Sarah Wasserman (EH)
  4. 10.2 Beautiful Sentences Matter. Billy-Ray Belcourt and Matt Hooley (SW)
  5. 10.1 "Extreme Circumstances, Extreme Reactions:ā€ Aaron Gwyn and Sean McCann (JP)

Huang, Linda and Andrew LeClair. Cover design. Searches, Vauhini Vara, Pantheon, 2025. Front cover.